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Showtime · Mar 17, 2012, 03:12 AM // 03:12

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if i owned one of those rare mini's i'd be pissed to see the value drop every day if not every few hours.

make new ultra rare minis and put in all high end chests.

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lursey · Mar 17, 2012, 03:21 AM // 03:21

1) if they are already gone for good, why do you want to put them back in, when there are whole lots of other better "ultra-rare" options than mini or tonics can be put in the chest?

2) if the minis are still around, meaning, the market is still here, and if their market crash, I can't imagine the flood of ecto/armbace/zkey into market requiring more gold sink, and because they don't have an ultra rare goal for them to attain, ultimately leading to lessor people to play and farm those areas, due to lack of rare goal and purpose, and further harming the population.

3) there are already many complementary minis to those rare, releasing them besides from satisfying the jealousy, it won't do any good to the population

4) will you ask then later how about those everlasting henchman tonics once these minis are released and satisfied some jealousy, which actually are rarer than those minis?

5) and then later ask for divine aura, collection /newemote to be released?

**cosyfiep** · Mar 17, 2012, 04:05 AM // 04:05

/signed....anyway to get a mini panda or island guardian other than having lived in asia or being uber uber rich would be a nice change of pace.

Essence Snow · Mar 17, 2012, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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for those minis that there is simply no other way to obtain other than to buy...yes ofc
for those like mkg, polar, ghostly, etc....no

as long as everyone has a chance...no matter how slim, to get every mini...thats good stuff.

having 0 chance outside of buying...is bad....rather have them removed from the game

drkn · Mar 17, 2012, 09:11 AM // 09:11

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innovating another ecto/armbrace/zkey sink

Adding rare minis to ZChest would be a new zkey sink, making more people use up their keys rather than selling them or using as a currency for convenience. As it is right now, only people who need r3 for HoM and those who intend to max out the title use the keys, plus maybe some several avid gamblers. If you could get Vizu and Zhed from ZChest, which were randomly given away rather than won in a valid contest or tournament, even your regular JQers would use their keys more often than sell them.

lursey · Mar 17, 2012, 09:55 AM // 09:55

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Originally Posted by drkn

Adding rare minis to ZChest would be a new zkey sink, making more people use up their keys rather than selling them or using as a currency for convenience. As it is right now, only people who need r3 for HoM and those who intend to max out the title use the keys, plus maybe some several avid gamblers. If you could get Vizu and Zhed from ZChest, which were randomly given away rather than won in a valid contest or tournament, even your regular JQers would use their keys more often than sell them.

not necessarily, because vizu and zhed may not be as highly demanded if it is not about the rarity.

say if the numbers of vizu or zhed become like the Macabre Tonic, will it hugely improve players to use zkey more?

I highly doubt it, since rarity become a lessor issue, the facial value of the mini appearance + the complementary will determine the demand, and the use of zkey.

especially if there are only like 10 players like the look of vizu, zhed or etc., then the sink will not be as good as creating a new type of rare market to sink the money.

drkn · Mar 17, 2012, 12:12 PM // 12:12

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say if the numbers of vizu or zhed become like the Macabre Tonic, will it hugely improve players to use zkey more?

Before this happens, GW2 will be out and the playerbase of GW1 will be diminished, making the overall usage of ZChest much lower, thus generating less rare items.
Those minipets will still be extra rare for a month or even two once introduced, just more available and not THAT expensive. After two-three months, when there are 50 unded Vizus rather than 3 in the game, they still will be expensive and rare. This will make unded Vizus get more available to most of the remaining players, but there's nothing wrong about that.

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especially if there are only like 10 players like the look of vizu, zhed or etc

Sorry, but your theorycrafting got ridiculous.

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then the sink will not be as good as creating a new type of rare market to sink the money.

Creating completely new sinks would be a brilliant idea two years ago. As it is now, creating ANY valid and interesting sinks is fine because it'd give more incentive to do something (opening ZChest), while taking some currency from the game. It would also wreak some havoc in the game's player-market, but that's not a bad thing, either, especially that close to the sequel's release.

tonini · Mar 17, 2012, 01:57 PM // 13:57

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why now its not like doing this will bring ppl into gw or help ppl with miniatures in hom.. after the hom points system came out no1 'needed' super rare mini's for hom just one of those things people who play a long time can afford and should be proud

drkn · Mar 17, 2012, 02:36 PM // 14:36

Or those who hacked others and went away with it. Or those who bought ectos for real money, using RMT services. Or those who scammed people. Or those who powertraded for six months and got really lucky on the way, but never really left Kamadan. Or those who mindlessly farmed DoA/UW for thousands of hours.
None of the above appeals to me as an explanation why only a small group of people should enjoy something in the game, unless they won it somehow.

Kook~NBK~ · Mar 17, 2012, 04:13 PM // 16:13

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To increase interest in the zaishen chest

There's plenty of interest in the Zaishen Chest as it is. Even in the slowest times you can find several people in GtoB AD1 looking to buy Z-Keys. (Gotta get those 3 PvP points in the HoM, after all!)

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To increase access to hard to obtain minipets

There's nothing wrong with the limitations on the numbers of extremely rare minis. However, I do like the idea of adding the respective minis to The Deep and Urzog's. Those places could use a boost in interest!

lursey · Mar 17, 2012, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by drkn

Or those who hacked others and went away with it. Or those who bought ectos for real money, using RMT services. Or those who scammed people. Or those who powertraded for six months and got really lucky on the way, but never really left Kamadan. Or those who mindlessly farmed DoA/UW for thousands of hours.
None of the above appeals to me as an explanation why only a small group of people should enjoy something in the game, unless they won it somehow.

what you are saying is basically trying to kill the high end power trading rare mini market, and pushing people away from it, dismissing a major purpose from gw, the next question would be why the mini but not the henchman tonics?

and I won't understand why people will like vizu more than Prince Rurik, if their rarity become not an issue, vice versa, if anet creates a new mini prince Rurik not holding a fds, and make the rarity similar to mini polar bear, will it help better?

I think what more important is to create purpose which could attract new market, hence increase population, than moving the existing population around and spreading them even more when the population is low.

so I said before the mini and tonics market are saturated, meaning any major movement to them won't help any situation or even make it worse, because they are not a necessity, but create something like a neon armour token, a whole new high demand, limited supply market to compete with the existing rare market may help better.

Andemius · Mar 17, 2012, 05:31 PM // 17:31

/signed, but keep the droprates loooow

drkn · Mar 17, 2012, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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why the mini but not the henchman tonics?

The PvP henchmen tonics were a reward in a competition.

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what you are saying is basically trying to kill the high end power trading rare mini market, and pushing people away from it

Yes, but it's not the goal, only a side-effect of what i perceive as positive. That's because... "I won't understand why people will like vizu more than Prince Rurik, if their rarity become not an issue, vice versa, if anet creates a new mini prince Rurik not holding a fds, and make the rarity similar to mini polar bear, will it help better?"
But i see it the other way - why do people prefer a rare pet, that was given out to lucky recipients, rather than a better looking one?

I'd even introduce max q7/q8 weapons in ZChest, with really low drop chance, including matching inherents. Because - why not?
Unless something is a reward for something players did, like it is with MKG, i see no point why it shouldn't be obtainable via playing rather than trading.

melissa b · Mar 17, 2012, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

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for those minis that there is simply no other way to obtain other than to buy...yes ofc
for those like mkg, polar, ghostly, etc....no

as long as everyone has a chance...no matter how slim, to get every mini...thats good stuff.

having 0 chance outside of buying...is bad....rather have them removed from the game

I didn't list polar or ghostly since they are already available through chests. The MKG I was thinking should be added as an alternative to non-artists but I would be ok with it not being included.

lursey · Mar 17, 2012, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by drkn

The PvP henchmen tonics were a reward in a competition.

Yes, but it's not the goal, only a side-effect of what i perceive as positive. That's because... "I won't understand why people will like vizu more than Prince Rurik, if their rarity become not an issue, vice versa, if anet creates a new mini prince Rurik not holding a fds, and make the rarity similar to mini polar bear, will it help better?"
But i see it the other way - why do people prefer a rare pet, that was given out to lucky recipients, rather than a better looking one?

I'd even introduce max q7/q8 weapons in ZChest, with really low drop chance, including matching inherents. Because - why not?
Unless something is a reward for something players did, like it is with MKG, i see no point why it shouldn't be obtainable via playing rather than trading.

for vizu or similiar to other mini/tonics

Japan region
Netcafe promotion (20 were given through lucky draw)
Taiwan region
GW official blog lucky draw (9 prizes)
Europe
10 awarded by the PCGameplay (Netherlands and Belgium) golden miniature contest.
Through the Massive Mini Pet Giveaway
Contest
Halloween Art Contest 2007 (10 prizes)

it was a promotion towards those region, and even that, it has already been compensated to other regions with contest.

contests/competition/lucky draw are highly determined by luck, of that limited event, I don't see there is any different.

it is hard to believe that someone would like to change the value of past events to polish the present, just like when there was actually a massacre, the historian would paint it as a praise, and changing the past into "looking good".

and it is easy to understand that everyone wants divine aura, but they are something that was limited in the past, you cannot suddenly release something that was limited, if not, then what did it mean by limited?

and to your question because look, rarity, and value of limitation are not mutually exclusive in terms of demand, ie. decreasing in rarity, doesn't mean it will attract a higher demand, so adjusting the rarity and limitation is unwise.

Dewshine Wildclaw · Mar 18, 2012, 02:44 PM // 14:44

@ Lursey Neon armor would be absolutely terrible and hurtful to the beautiful aesthetics of the game and peoples eyes, so your suggestion is worse than the OP.

I am not really against the OP, maybe with the exception of the contest given ones. But not being able to get a mini just because of where you are from in the world is terribly unfair imo.

Saint Scarlet · Mar 18, 2012, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Personally i think everyone should have a chance to get some of the best looking minipets, rather than just those with too much RL money or no life.

Or they could run another giveaway competition with all the mini's, something like get 1 random rare mini for answering this question correctly - whats Master of Whispers real name?

That'd make it fair for all.

Othienka · Mar 20, 2012, 01:39 AM // 01:39

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The Zaishen chest should have more drops than what it now has.

Swingline · Mar 20, 2012, 02:19 AM // 02:19

They should reintroduce minipets but not with the z-chest.

Missing HB · Mar 20, 2012, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by drkn

The PvP henchmen tonics were a reward in a competition.

Actually, this would make more sense since :
- zaishen chest has tonics and not minis
- the rate drop is really low anyway and 3/4 items you get are cremes or flasks
- that contest was a joke and didn't reward creativity like it was said
- those tonics are original since they represent non-common characters
- no HoM, so there won't be a big consequence on prices

But i still believe that they should remove cremes/flasks, which are useless and boring drops( there are already enough worthless golds and tonics), and add everysingle item in game inside...